soulanum said: I used to ship SS but thank God I realized how dumb I was! The pairing's just too unhealthy! As a Sakura fan, I want her to be happy and she won't be happy with Sasuke around her. I believe she can shine without him or anyone.
Well I wouldn’t go so far as to say you were dumb. I can certainly see the basic if not cliche reasons why anyone would like any of the pairings at first this includes NaruSaku.
The thins is IMO the SS we got on the pages is nowhere near the developed SS most of its fans talk about in fanon.
I agree SS hasn’t made Sakura happy since part 1 and I’ve to see any evidence Sasuke wants to be the guy who makes her happy. Now I also agree Sakura doesn’t need to get a BF to make her happy, I think a fan of hers would want her to find happiness within herself first and foremost. If she happens to find a BF along the way then that’s alright.
lushmisfit reblogged your post and added:
Are you a fucking five year old
So judging by your response if I am five that would make your intellectual standard what? Third trimester? Well at least you can start breathing on your own
Once again I begin with some qualifications. For example I am a NS fan But I understand where one can be a supporter of NH based on matters of interpretation. Granted due to my own reasoning and my suspicion that this manga will indeed end the romance subplot I think NH folk have taken the wrong path in their interpretations, that in addition to overzealous Hinata warriors makes me not a fan of NH
SS on the other hand is artistically shite (gave it some of that British spin) and it has been shite for so long it cannot be redeemed artistically.
Surely the fans can enjoy their perception of it if it actually turns out to be canon. and continue enjoying fan fic. But the product on paper is horrifically executed to the point where its absurd.
Seriously the last chapter is the first time Sasuke has talked to Sakura without being a dick. In between this and his “thank you” in part 1 nothing was exchanged between them besides him trying to kill her three times.
If you didn’t know I was talking about SS and I described a relationship like that to you and then said it was romance you’d be like “wtf?”
Now I am not even saying romance in Naruto is particularly grand. Still SS if it’s even a real thing at this point is the low point of this manga bar none.
Let me offer an explanation to why SS stinks, when interacting with SS fans the themes and motifs they praise do no translate to what has been depicted on the pages.
The themes SS fans seem to enjoy or the hypothetical themes and tropes Kishimoto is supposed to be using are not being executed in the story.
When talking about SS with fans, by SS I mean in a romantic context, the interaction between two characters, the intimacy between the two characters two themes frequently come to surface.
Patient love: (sorry NH SS had this first)
Bad boy redemption:
There is this perception that Sasuke is returning to Sakura’s unwavering love like some WW II vet who returned to his sweet heart after storming Normandy.
The love interest has gone through troubled times and returns to his devoted partner.
This is an ancient theme I’m sure you’ve heard of Odysseus
When you see those kinds of stories, the patient love stories that SS is supposed to somehow be about in books or movies the dude, the target of affection thinks about the girl he has left behind
There may be flashbacks of their first kiss, their first time together, perhaps the soldier or journeyman carries a locket with the girl’s picture close to his heart.
The point is it’s portrayed by the author that the love interest carries the memory of the girl with him.
I beg someone, anyone, to show me a single panel in the 681 chapters of this manga of which we are heading towards the climax, where Sasuke thinks of Sakura on her own based on what she means to him platonic or otherwise.
Just give me one, yeah I get the argument is Sasuke’s romantic feelings are ambiguous, but they’re not supposed to be non-existent.
The bottom line is Sasuke went off for three years has been close to death numerous times, didn’t think about Sakura alone ONCE. You would think if he were suppressing his emotions or even unconsciously in love, He would at least miss her company.
Then when they are reunited he treats her like shit. Almost killing her up to three times, talking down to her etc etc
Kishimoto has to disregard thousand of years of cohesive storytelling to pretend SS works on that level.
Bad boy redemption:
The reason this fails is simple, to this point in the manga Sakura has little to no influence on Sasuke’s redemption. Right now the largest contributor is Itachi and with Naruto’s recent “my body moves on it’s own” jibe/insight that seemingly agitated Sasuke its pretty much confirmed the rest is up to Naruto.
Sakura’s love has not and will not be the deciding factor in Sasuke’s redemption. The reality is Sakura has had little to no impact on Sasuke since she failed to get him to stay after her confession in part 1.
Even if recent chapters show us Sasuke cares, he doesn’t care enough, Sakura’s love which is supposed to be this praiseworthy thing doesn’t mean jack shit to him for the majority of the story. Please prove to me otherwise, show me where his knowledge of Sakura’s love has changed him in anyway, has made him make a different or difficult decision, has deterred him from a dark path.
It in all honestly it succeeds more in portraying where love can go wrong, where the heart can blind.
SS fails in everything its supposed to be
Finally I also want to say strong independent woman Sakura is not a SS thing. It actually contradicts the whole concept of a strong independent woman to say that her love for Sasuke is solely what made her strong and not her own independent will.
It also seems to contradict how Sakura seems to hang her head in shame every time Sasuke barks at her.
> Go into chapter knowing there has to be some SS
> mfw NaruSaku sneaks into the chapter
I know the NaruSaku fandom is needlessly insecure and will probably be worried and panicked so….
1) Obito is talking about Naruto.
a) Sakura just brought him up by name
b) Their obvious objective is to get Sasuke. Clearly Sakura wants to help Sasuke if she’s standing right there next to Obito helping. Obito wouldn’t be surprised or talk vaguely about “him” or “when he stumbles” when him/he is the target. Sasuke hasn’t stumbled he needs rescuing, additionally to my knowledge Obito has seen zero positive interaction (like us readers) between Sasuke and Sakura to start to pick up on a pattern of history involving her wanting to help “him” so he could comment on it.
c) His tone and surprise is so ambiguous that it confuses Sakura, If they were talking about the obvious target Sasuke, Sakura would not be confused.
2) Why is this scene there?
The interesting thing about parallels is that even though they somehow don’t matter and or exist in this manga they tend to make people *coughMinatoJiraiyacough* nostalgic
All that being said the REAL SHITSTORM is next week. How Sakura reacts to Sasuke holding will be interesting. She may or may not blush etc etc.
inferno180 said: As a NS fan myself, 1 thing I wanted to ask you was, what do you think would entail the sequence of Sakura moving to Naruto which is needed if NS is to go canon? I mean for fans like me, I suspect this just due to some story structure deals like NH being infrequent and SS "shakiness" lets say, with NS having screentime, hints, and sakuras recent negativity with sasuke, well aside from not trusting him, this maybe could all go towards something sakura confronting something internally for herself?
Hello fellow NS fan
If I understand your question correctly you’re asking what will it take for Sakura to start officially moving into NS mode?
This is a tough question because there’s a lot to consider. like if Kishi for whatever reason decides to rush the ending/cut down on the romance to save room for the main plot, then things will not be anywhere near subtle or layered (some may argue they already aren’t). It’ll simply be all the things you mentioned leading to a direct revelation for Sakura either when she’s in danger or when Naruto’s in danger. Something cliche but very much expected by NaruSaku fans.
But the part of me that is optimistic thinks what is happening now with Obito Sakura and Sasuke is the sequence of events that will eventually lead to NS.
Even if I disagree with SS I understand why SS fans think all the ingredients for SS are right in front of them. Sakura is there to save her man, Sasuke will finally learn to appreciate Sakura because of this and love will bloom.
That’s the obvious.
I may have my pairing glasses on but I think with a more subtle hand by the author if we consider Sakura’s development and her romance subplot NarSaku may actually be at play.
See the general idea from most people is that SS failure = NS success. SS has been failing for all of part 2 yet it still sort of exists.
Lately I’ve started to think it’s not SS failure = NS success. It might actually be Sakura success = NS success.
So Sakura has to succeed/feel better about herself, and that will help her be open to romantic alternatives instead of hanging onto something that is not working.
Sakura’s success may come in the form of saving and finally getting some real acknowledgment from Sasuke,
See NaruSaku need not grow from the smoldering ashes of a destroyed SS relationship but instead the fertile ground of Sakura’s improved esteem.
This is assuming of course self esteem issues are actually a big part pf Sakur’a character arc as I think it is.
I may be giving too much credence to Kishi but IMO the ingredients are all there:
Sasuke pointing out Sakura is useless more than once for seemingly no reason
Sakura wanting so bad to help after being shamed by Sasuke
Seems like SS right?
Well add in
Naruto in danger or missing
Obito on the road to redemption while carrying some unique insights on Naruto, love triangles,unrequited/failed love.
Anything can happen IMO
Anonymous said: I really love reading your NaruSaku thoughts, they really do make a lot of sense and I agree with most of them. I was just meaning to ask you, what do you think would be the biggest 'threat' to the NaruSaku pairing, NaruHina or SasuSaku?
Hello there I’m glad you enjoy my Narusaku posts. It’s one thing to know people read them it’s a better thing to know they enjoy it.
This is a good question I will say SS but that needs some TLDR clarification.
At first glance it would seem that NaruHina is a bigger “threat” based on the fact that recent developments have at least given it a believable foundation where romance could bloom unlike SS.
I mean at this point you can see how love could possibly blossom with both Naruto and Hinata’s current mindset.
Bigger picture however, and this is IMO, to me the pairing wars rest solely on Sakura’s shoulders. And by SS I mean Sakura’s feelings since Sasuke has shown zero interest in romance to this date. All SS is, essentially, Sakura’s inability to reconcile her feelings with Sasuke’s treatment of her throughout their relationship.
Now Sakura’s feelings don’t necessarily have to = SS If she holds on to her love for Sasuke and he doesn’t reciprocate this will lead to an open end manga.
I base that on my feelings that there are no scenarios where Naruto will reject Sakura if she approached him in a way that he believed that she was over Sasuke. So to me in this regard NaruHina relies on a trickle down effect, again I do not think Naruto will move on to Hinata unless he confesses and gets a definite answer that denies or confirms his belief that Sakura is still deeply in love with Sasuke.
If Naruto confesses officially (and I believe he will because he said he would and has yet to do so) and he senses Sakura is still in love with Sasuke it is within his character to respect her feelings and move on. This is when Hinata will have an opportunity to officially grow on him.
See IMHO Naruto and Sakura are very similar in that letting go of their goals and objectives is not easy feat for them. (IMO romance with Sasuke had become a failed objective to Sakura something akin to failing to bringing him back to the the village, and its become something that shames her. In contrast for Naruto romance had stopped being a goal since the hospital scene, as evidenced by his lack of bugging her in part 2, it’s now become an unexpressed desire. Sakura one can argue has just started to question whether she has any or can have any real power or influence in terms of getting Sasuke to love her as she desires)
With that in mind it’s not unreasonable for me to say that these are two characters who need some measure of closure before they can begin to truly entertain being romantically involved with someone else.
This means to me Naruto is not in love with Hinata now, nor is Sakura in love with Naruto. Though they are both at this point very much aware there are admirable suitors for their respective hands.
Of course there is the remote possibility that Sakura will move on from Sasuke and simply remain independent. To me moving on from Sasuke would be a great thing for her character I don’t demand she be with anyone. But I don’t think Kishi invested so much of the romantic subplot into Sakura’s character to totally drop romance or romantic feelings from her current mindset.
So to recap with Sasuke showing little to no interest SS basically amounts to the faint hope that Sakura’s unyielding love will be rewarded. But the fact remains as long as Sakura’s feeling remain tied up (whether or not Sasuke reciprocates) NH and NS are playing a waiting game.
To me that makes SS a bigger threat
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